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21 November 2005

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Murph

Hmmm....

If the Ikea were to be located in Detroit proper, I suppose I would back down from "withering" to merely "disdainful".

Except, oh wait, Detroit would probably waive the property taxes on it in order to lure them in, and allow them to build a massive parking lot, such that 95% of Ikea shoppers won't venture off Ikea's lot (the article says even the Portland store's site plan includes 1200 parking spaces, and Detroit wouldn't see any benefit from it at all. Ikea's still the worst plan for urban revitalization since casinos.

(Sorry. Ikea is my insta-cranky button topic...)

Architectress

True, Detroit would probably waive taxes but if they were smart, they would only do it for a couple of years. Ikeas, much as you may disdain them, are big economic generators beyond their property lines. They attract people on a *regional* basis, not just locally. I know plenty of people, myself included, who have driven to Toronto or Chicago, visited friends and tourist attractions, stayed overnight at hotels - all to shop at the Ikea for a day. Heck, some people rent whole trucks in order to fill them up and return home.

And FYI, an average Ikea is 100,000 square feet. If the Portland store is about that, then they have 1 spot for every 83 sq. ft. It's a lot more than we allow for retail, sure, but I bet they use every single one too.

Murph

"a lot more than we allow for retail, sure"

Is there any place in Michigan that has a maximum on the amount of parking provided? Even Ann Arbor, which claims to be so concerned, only has minimums...No, wait. I'm wrong. For "Retail Stores and Retail Centers between 300,000--600,000 square feet of floor area" (the proposed Canton Twp. IKEA is 300k s.f.), Ann Arbor's zoning requires a minimum of one parking space per 285 s.f. and a maximum of one parking space per 250 s.f.

We have a few small pieces of furniture from IKEA (near Philly, from when we lived in Princeton), but they just sort of exist; they aren't in any way nice or likeable. (Contrast: the table we scavenged from a dumpster and Cara refinished.) Ikea just rubs me the wrong way, as encouraging a disposable lifestyle (Target furniture runs a close second here).

And, yes, they're regional attractions. Just like casinos and stadia. In general (because I've not seen analyses that focus on Ikea specifically), single monolithic activity generators have been shown to be poor economic development strategies, usually not even providing enough in taxes to cover the costs of the municipal services they demand.

aka Archipunk

I was going to chime in on the woodburning article. (And not to be petty, but it's from USA Today which is to facts as McDonalds is to nutritious, in my book.)

I think conflating pellet stoves with woodburning is misleading. From what I have read (and I don't have any sources handy to cite), pellet stoves are pretty efficient and don't pollute nearly as much as compared to a stack of sticks in a stone ring in the backyard. Just the amount of material burned is much less with a pellet stove versus log burning in a traditional fireplace, but, because they also burn hotter, much less soot is produced.

On the Ikea front, I understand the "cheap and disposable" bias is most prevalent on the east coast, where Ikea had their first stores. I don't know if the quality has improved over time, but to me, Ikea is definitely something where there are wide swings in quality. I have a bed frame that is much nicer than most wood futon frames I've seen but isn't needlessly ornate or fussy (or expensive). Many things Ikea sells I would want to see in person before deciding whether or not to buy. But I have a number of things I've had for 6-7 years that I got from Ikea that I consider useful and durable.

(Anyhow, I think that's enough Ikea defense.)

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